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starts to drop off. The one we have at the test center we discontinued and did an autopsy on it <br /> to see what's going on with it. It's better than nothing. <br /> Mr. Harrinton: Was it 50%? <br /> CHAIR BAUMGAERTEL : At its best <br /> Mr. Harrington: At its best but not on average? <br /> CHAIR BAUMGAERTEL : Not on average, no. If you look at the data across time, on average,the <br /> removals hovered in the 50% area but not consistently. Sometimes it was less reduction and <br /> sometimes it was more. Depends on incoming waste water as well. <br /> Mr. Harrington: I don't think there is going to be any issue with use. It is going to get used. All <br /> of these units will stay full. I suppose there is a chance of overuse. <br /> Ms. Patel: Makes me wonder why DEP would approve something like this despite what we know <br /> Ms. Willander: They're getting different results at the test locations aren't they? Based on that <br /> article it sounds like they're getting better treatment than you're getting at your test site. <br /> Mr. Harrington: It says up to 72% removal <br /> Ms. Patel: I would question the longevity of that based on what Brian's been saying. The article <br /> can be successful but we have to refute it with when it was seen. <br /> CHAIR BAUMGAERTEL : So we have had something to do with all 15 of those installations and I <br /> know how they're performing and the article characterizes it not necessarily correctly. Which <br /> pains me to say because this has been a subject of the research test center for the past 5 years. <br /> To have a lot of that research to come to the conclusion that it's not really a workable model. <br /> That said,down in Long Island with the same design they're moving ahead with using down there. <br /> Ms. Patel: So I understand, I'm assuming that it is 3 layer that they're proposing. Is it tested on <br /> the amounts of layers that you use? <br /> CHAIR BAUMGAERTEL : This is basically the same design that we use. There is a little bit of <br /> difference with pea stone layer at the bottom. This was exactly the spec that was used <br /> Mr. Harrington: They want to do all concrete chambers, because it's going to be driven over so <br /> the pressure distribution lines need to be protected by concrete.The spraying of effluent through <br /> the smaller diameter perforations and the pressurized laterals will aerate the effluent which is <br /> hopeful that aeration is part of the denitrification process. <br /> CHAIR BAUMGAERTEL : So that's not the only option, you can do concrete chambers, Elgin <br /> systems ? They have an NSF 245 approval.Which was basically that design 18/18 or it might have <br /> been 20/12. <br /> Mr. Harrington: They set their bundles on top of other layers. <br />