4/14/2015 WASTE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE Minutes

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t. Z, Catherine: So I rechecked with Jeff Cabral who I know because he works for one of the vendors that we use at the Transfer Station. He is a volunteer at Winchester, and he actually referred me to the ----? operator at the transfer station because he was really the wrong person to speak to about this because he didn't know enough about what's happened since they implemented the new ( inaudible) at which point I did call the operator to get someone who knew and sent out the summary of my conversation as to how the program is working in Winchester. And those were his comments, that the numbers are from his numbers that they presented to the Board of Selectmen that this is a voluntary pilot, that the people that volunteer are the ones that figured out that they would be saving money because they are not getting a lot of trash. So rather than paying the $190 permit fee for a one or two person household, they figured it was a lot less costly for them to pay the $2.00 per bag so they are the ones that volunteered to utilize the program. Wayne: That's what I thought, that's what we were looking for was an equity situation and that's what sounded so good to me. Catherine: But what's happened is because the town was not realizing any savings because the people that volunteered were the ones that were already recycling so you weren't seeing significant reduction in trash. So the program overall was costing the town an additional $30,000 to operate. Tom O'Hara: But that's what I'm going at, I mean I wish we had the opportunity to speak to him because I thought that's what we were actually trying to do with this dual program, was to give the opportunity to someone who always goes in with that one day in a 3-bag to recycle, and give them that option not to buy that$110 sticker. Catherine: Even if it costs the Town of Mashpee more money in the end, which means it is going to cost everyone more money in the end? Wayne: And I don't know that. All I know is that we were talking about it, and those were the people we were trying to satisfy because I understand Kalliope's point and I thought he was really coming tonight. Joyce Mason: I will take the heat for that. I couldn't see bringing someone down from Winchester when we had information to prove that it was costing the town more money. And the other thing we have to take into account, the pilot program. We don't have the room to do a pilot program. That is going to take some reconfiguring of the transfer station. So l just don't see, the program that is losing money in a community like Winchester, I don't see the purpose If we are going to do a pay-as-you-throw program, that's what we need to look at. We are dancing around that issue. And I think we have found a couple of ways to reduce our tonnage and save money, but at the end of the day, folks, the real thing here is how do you get folies to recycle and reduce trash? It's by charging them per bag because that is the only way, and know, you don't like you to hearing it, but that is the reality of it all. Wayne: That's your reality. (Garbled Conversation.) Joyce Mason: I think we are dancing around the issue of Pay As You Throw (PAYT) because no one wants to talk about it. But the reality is that the PAYT program saves you money. And so I don't think you should just be dismissing it. Folks are not willing to talk about that issue and I think it needs to be discussed. Mike: I don't think we are dismissing it, I think it is one of the options that we are talking about. Wayne: I'm not saying it is not an available option, I'm saying that we are looking for alternatives here. We are trying to discuss all the options so that when it comes to talking to the 16 Great Neck Road North • Mashpee, MA • 02649 8 phone: 508.539.1400 • fax:508.539.0954 • email:mis@ci.mashpee.ma.us m:lmy documentslWaste Mgmt Verbatim.doc