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plains grasslands and sedge. In addition,this patio completely obviates the 35 ft. setback <br /> minimum naturally vegetated buffer zone. Bob said he told Mr. Grotzke when he first proposed <br /> the plan that he was opposed to it, and he remains opposed. He recommended a denial. <br /> • Mr. Grotzke asked if they cannot build a patio under any circumstance? Bob said we said they <br /> would have to keep that patio out of the 35 ft. zone, and we wanted to maintain a grassland <br /> assemblage and Pennsylvania sedge. The initial planting hasn't succeeded, but we have it <br /> conditioned that they have to try again if at first they don't succeed. This plan is a retreat, and <br /> again he recommended a denial. <br /> Ms. Turano-Flores said she recalled the first involvement when the 35 ft. buffer was the focus, <br /> because when the lot was originally approved, an order of conditions in the 1990's, and it's <br /> shown as a dotted line on this plan. That's why the Order of Conditions issued stated that any ... <br /> Bob said the landscaping has been a failure, but this doesn't mean that we should accept another <br /> plan. <br /> Bob said if we follow this plan, we might as well get out of the business of maintaining naturally <br /> vegetated buffer zones. Jack said it isn't as though they have no place to sit outside the borders <br /> [garbled]. Ms. Turano-Flores said they have three children and are a family of five and they <br /> intend to use this back yard area. If the children are going to be tramping all over it, there is <br /> going to be no defined area where their activities are going to take place. <br /> Bob said there is a defined work limit on the previous plan. If you have a work limit that's <br /> P P <br /> defined, and that is trampled by children or buffalo and altered, that will be a violation. Ms. <br /> Turano-Flores said she's not sure we can prevent a person from using a back area, that walking <br /> on it is a violation. Bob said that would be a violation--he was saying that if what was <br /> supposed to be there disappeared in a negative fashion, that would constitute a violation in his <br /> opinion. <br /> Mike said he has seen Pennsylvania sedge function as a lawn. In fact, he has a number of clients <br /> who have installed Pennsylvania sedge and it's growing well. It's a question of timing— <br /> springtime would be the time to do it. <br /> Ms. Turano-Flores said as she recalls at the last hearing Don Schall said and reiterated today that <br /> a grassland habitat of any wetland value has to be bigger than this(only 2,000 sq. ft.), and there's <br /> no connection to any corridors that migrating species could rely upon. She said on either side <br /> she has photos of the patio areas that go right out to the edge of the coastal bank. So we are <br /> talking about completely isolated sands plain grassland, which is not going to serve any wildlife <br /> habitat value. <br /> Bob disagreed and said the sands plain grassland even of modest size is going can be a home to <br /> meadow voles. He just can't agree with the assessments that came forth here. <br /> Bob said nobody appealed the fust order of conditions. <br /> Ms. Turano-Flores said there was no need. There was always the opportunity for additional <br /> landscaping or lawn, and they would have to come back here. Bob said that's what they are <br /> 5 <br />