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-2- <br /> Charles: This is what comes to my mind. I am wondering if because this wall is here <br /> that this is taking place and when this wall is put here, then it will take place here. <br /> Mr. Nultv: Mr. Hecht has statedthat if this wall of mine is approved, he will watch it <br /> with interest to put up something to replace the wall that is now falling over. <br /> Wayne: Since he has put up his wall, is this what has caused the erosion? <br /> Mr. Nulty: I don't know that much about the physical action here. But I can say, it <br /> seems to me that it has increased my erosion. My own theory is that my major erosion <br /> has come from the northeast storm. That would allow water to hit his wall and do some- <br /> thing with it that perhaps has deflected mine. <br /> Pauline: It is what has happened on two other wallsin different areas on similar proc- <br /> esses. We have had undermining and underwash of other walls because someone had put up <br /> a beautiful revetment and the abutting property this has happened to. I think this is <br /> what Charlie is trying to say. <br /> Charles: I am not saying don't do this and just let it go to see what happens if it <br /> should stabilize itself. <br /> Wayne: I am noticing that you are proposing a railroad tie wall. In my opinion, rail- <br /> road tie walls are just too light for anything like that. <br /> Barbara: The one you have now, you have had for how long? <br /> Mr. Nulty Well, the terrace that you see there is not subject to any wave action and <br /> it has been there for ten years. In talking with Kenny Rebello and working with him on <br /> other projects, he said he has worked with railroad ties on sea walls. He has a system <br /> of deadmen coming back and a system of pipes going through the railroad ties in a verti- <br /> cal fashion which he thinks very highly of. <br /> Charles: He is proposing to put the railroad ties in in a horizontal position? <br /> Mr. Nulty: Yes. <br /> Barbara: And vertical? <br /> Mr. Nulty: Not vertically. The galvanized pipes would be going through each 16 feet <br /> down 3 or 4 feet below the bottom tie and he has something in mind with concrete behind <br /> the ties. <br /> Wayne: It has always been my experience with railroad ties that it is something that <br /> doesn't have the footing. They are not heavy enough. If you get any frost action, they <br /> are like match sticks. I don't know what the elevation is. <br /> Mr. Nulty: It is three feet from the high water mark up to the top of the banking. <br /> Wayne: The base of this whole wall is sitting' in or near the water. In the winter time, <br /> this will pick up the whole wall. It is just like a raft. Railroad ties are heavy but <br /> they are just not heavier than water. They will float. That is my experience with it. <br /> I have built a few of these, but we go back to stone now because the weight of stone is <br /> heavier than water and has some sort of a footing. <br /> Mr. Nulty: The ties on that rather involved terrace here are 6 feet high in some places <br /> not subject to water. It doesn't seem to me that it has moved an inch. <br /> Wayne: That is above the water table. <br />