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-3- <br /> Mr. Nulty: Oh yes, well above it. <br /> Barbara: Moon tide will hit it, won't it? <br /> Mr. Nulty: A storm tide might of gotten close. <br /> Wayne: It won't in the winter time. If you ever had a high tide that got in there <br /> and it froze, I think you would then see what kind of damage that I am talking about. <br /> I just think it is too fragile. There are relatively very few railroad tie walls that <br /> are put in along the coast that Z had ever seen that are successful. They are just not <br /> heavy enough. Everything else that we had got when you think about it is stone. <br /> Barbara: What about the wall that was put in on the duck pond. He put in a railroad <br /> tie wall and that is still there. <br /> Charles: Those ties are vertical. <br /> Wayne: Vertical ties go below the frost line. Tells about a sea wall which he is work- <br /> ing on in Lake Waquoit where there is no tidal action. The wall has deadmen and is <br /> anchored dorm but just came up. <br /> Pauline: If you are using a railroad tie and you have your pipes down through and driven <br /> in, they are just put in in a vertical position without a hook. There is nothing that <br /> anchors it. Now say that you did put a hook or something, would that hold it? <br /> Wayne: It needs two things. It needs the anchor at the bottom with weight. It would <br /> have to be dug out and poured concrete put in there. That is impossible because of the <br /> water. <br /> Barbara: How difficult would that be for you to change that from horizontal to vertical? <br /> Mr. Nulty: I could certainly speak to Mr. Rebello about this and reinforce that strongly. <br /> I would certainly go along with that. <br /> Barbara: It seems to be the answer. <br /> Charles: I am looking on the other side of the crook and from my past experience with <br /> bulkheads and this sort of thing, it has been the vertical presentation to the water side <br /> which seems to last. Everything that I have seen horizontal just doesn't make it. <br /> Wayne: The bad thing about a vertical tie wall is that it is hard to keep it together so <br /> that it doesn't fall apart like loose teeth. So what Kenny will probably do is put 2 x 4's <br /> in the interior part on a horizontal to hold these together. These are something like the <br /> creosoted bulkheads that you have seen. You have seen piers that do down and use a 3 x 8 <br /> lumber and is put in horizontally. As long as it is put in deep enough, they usually work. <br /> There are wooden structures but they are not railroad ties. Ice action on vertical ties <br /> that are like vertical piers that are out in the water which get surrounded by ice crimps <br /> around the ties and lifts them right up. Your advantage is the fact that you are building a <br /> retaining wall up against this slope and the ice won't have the action on that one side. <br /> I would say that this would work. <br /> Mr. Nulty: I have a letter of support, if I may enter this into the proceedings, from one <br /> of the abutters: Mr. Richard Gannon of 66 Bowsprit Point, New Seabury. <br /> Barbara: I also got a phone call from Mr. Devereux who highly approved of this who is <br /> his immediate abutter. <br /> Mr. Nulty: I do like the fact that the deadmen have worked well before. I x111 go with <br /> the vertical if you all say that is the best thing to do. <br />