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because Mr. Lammers wasn't there. It just turned out that it was easier <br /> for the Pikes to pay him. He hadn't ever met them or spoke with there. <br /> Every time he had spoken with there he was as helpful as he could be, He <br /> tried to speak to Mr. Lammers* He finally did speak with Mr. Lammers, <br /> Then Mr, Lammers didn't end up finishing the house for them. It became a <br /> mess. He was under the assumption. He had been installing septic <br /> systems since he was 18 years old. <br /> i <br /> Mr. Santos asked if cape & Islands Engineering was the engineering firm <br /> on that job. <br /> Mr. Harrington confirmed that that was correct, <br /> i <br /> Mr. Santos asked if Mr, Crocker had ever spoken with them or met there. <br /> Mr. Crocker replied that he never met with therm. Mr, Lammers did that. <br /> Mr. Lammers was in charge of the permitting. He was just operating the <br /> machine and dug the holes. That is ghat he does, He has been doing it <br /> for years and knows quite a few of the other members of the boards of <br /> health and agents. It was all up to code, The engineers inspected it for <br /> that. He didn't know if the torn of Mashpee health agents would come <br /> out and inspect the systems He thought there were new regulations in the <br /> town. <br /> Mr. Santos explained that the Pikes presented themselves before the <br /> board because their occupancy permits was being held up. They were <br /> basically going to be out in the street or pay triple the rent. The BOH was <br /> put in the middle. This is the second or third time that this had happened <br /> to therm. An unlicensed installer comes into town and does a job. He <br /> didn't care if they were just doing landscaping. if someone asked him to <br /> do a septic system and he agreed it would be illegal, It is the same thing , <br /> as asking someone to take an 18-wheeler down the road but he doesn't <br /> have a Mass A license. sure he could do it. But, the person has to take <br /> the responsibility for what they were doing. Mr, Crocker was paid. Did h <br /> have any problem taking the septic installer's test? He thea asked Mr. <br /> Harrington to confirm that the as built was basically worthless without <br /> Mr. Crocker being a licensed installer. <br /> Mr. Crocker agreed to take the test. He had taken the test for companies <br /> that he had worked for. He was under the assumption that he was doing <br /> it correctly. He had never handled the permitting, He would just install <br /> the septic as the operator for the company. Mr, cavossa doesn't install <br /> septic systems himself. He has employees do it. That was the situation <br /> he had been in for the last ten years He could take the test. <br />