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Mr., Fand commented there is a certain stigma as they are looked at as being poor or "the <br />others". They don't even allow him to go sit outside or to say he is Housing Authority, 'There Is <br />a big gap that is not easy to break. <br />Mr. Kupferman would think it would be up to the people who live there whether -they wantto be <br />interviewed. <br />Mr. Fand noted another method of approach would be to tap into income, gender, and race to <br />get an idea of statistics. 'This is HIPAA, they don't need names, and he would like 'to getthe <br />picture in that way. We Ihave an idea about their conditions, it's a human situation. lnclusioin <br />and diversity is a good Iperspective. <br />W <br />